thats right 32 mills. It is a 95% completed, off-frame restoration that I’ve lost interest in. Tuff Stuff has to be applied very thick because it is a very weak product. Rhino Linings® Truck Bed Liners retail location today. Michael – I think David’s explanations are excellent, but I agree that there is a little Line-X bias at work. All i can say is that surface preparation is key. Rhino moved to high pressure because LINE-X (high pressure) looked a LOT better than Tuff Stuff (low pressure). I do not know of any do it yourself spray on liners that I would recommend. Can anyone tell me if “adhesion promoter” is a good prep for either bed-liner? GFX is the current company who applies “factory” spray-on bedliners in Ford and Dodge trucks. Line-x can be applied to almost anything as long as it is dry, clean and can be abrased. You probably were given a warranty, you should have read it. A hybrid in most cases. Good luck!!! Thank you both for your comments – that’s the main point of the article too. The answer to this question may be the deciding factor. It’s great to have someone active in the business commenting here. I have a quote from linex for 500 for black and 750 for color? I will say if you want abrasive, hard, brittle, and thin go with brand x. (These questions would be ideal questions to clarify when deciding who will be your installer and this is why doing your homework is most important in general too), 18 years and one of the first stores- I’ve honestly never seen anyone NOT stand behind their application or products when involving truck beds. My opinion leans toward Line-x because I heard/read more reviews on how great they are. Xacto knife and scraper is all I have come up with but it is very slow. Peter – Michael is correct 1/8 to 3/16 is the normal application. I’m in the OKC area & planning on checking out 4 to 5 installers to install/spray a liner in my Dodge Ram. Suffice to say, Rhino has definitely changed/upgraded their products in the last few years in an effort to better match-up with Line-X. Answer: About 8 mils. Dallas Jensen. It’s a pain in the butt to mask off an entire Jeep just for those few inches anyway. Reflex has come out with a new Product Called Gardit it is a new low- pressure polyurethane coating it offers the hard fine cosmetic look . I had to remove it carefully with a razor blade paint scraper. I had to check dealership’s work. Although equipment can be a hopper gun & mixed manually, these spray lining formulas have lower quality yet still retain low amounts of isocyanates. Thanks for commenting (as always). They don’t manufacture their own product, they buy it from somewhere and then give it their own name. We have our secrets on how to get all the way to the edges that I don’t want the ‘other’ guys to know about ;)… We do scuff the crap out of it right up to the edge, clean it real good to get any wax or any other contaminents off but it is still less secure than a bedliner because of obvious reasons. Classics on Autotrader has listings for new and used Classics for sale near you. - Toyota Tundra Forums : Tundra Solutions Forum, http://img.photobucket.com/alb.....s/Als1.jpg, http://www.palmbeachcustoms.co.....imate.html, Toyota Tundra Top Aftermarket Products and Accessories, Rhino or Line-x - TundraTalk.net - Toyota Tundra Discussion Forum, Line-x v.s Rhino Lining vs ? Proper surface preparation is certainly important in the world of coatings no matter if you are applying a product for secondary containment or onto off shore oil rigs or spraying truck bedliners. Be sure to check into that if looking to personal your truck too! Find NEO Trailers Cargo / Enclosed Trailers for sale . One reason is the resin and isocyanate did not mix properly due to an equipment malfunction. I bet you can apply one on top of the other, but I don’t know if the effect would be very good. http://www.bedlinertruth.com can give you good info to help select an independent guy. When i pulled the liner once i recieve the truck the bed was pretty banged up. I am going to try and get pictures to you as soon as I can. I have a Line-X bedliner, which is great, BUT I need to replace the tailgate latch assembly. This is the short version of this story to say the very least, all details spared, but this experience will stand out as one of the most frustrating in my whole life. Preston – You bet. Welcome to come take a look anytime. 619-477-1796 Keep in mind that if they go out of business or sell out, you have no warranty. The liner outlasted the truck. Well, I read a little bit of info on your site and I’m going to have to say that there is a LOT of incorrect information. Pretty cool ride, I’d like to go pick up my young daughter from school in that thing! This is what I should have said. Spray on polyurethane/polyurea is awesome and a great product but is definitely not indestructible. Other good names are Arma Coatings, ArmorThane & SPI. No installer here so the warranty is no use. I’ve been searching the web for technical data that describes the physical properties of these products (Such as compressive strength, shear stress resistance, retention strength) And I have not found anything. Agreed Mike. The Line-X over the rail is taped perfectly straight. I know the site says that the dealers are independent of one another and will most likely charge fair market value, but a good estimate would help, and second, please someone explain the neccessity of removing “bolts”. Line-X probably will not warrant the liner either since they know it doesn’t bond well. Standard LINE-X is all you need since you have a tonneau cover and you don’t use the bed for extreme duty. In a $35,000 truck, that difference in cost is insignificant. You will be able to test the adhesion yourself to determine if it’s adequate. LineX wins in my book hands down. Both the bedliner and the fading is covered under a Nationwide Written Lifetime Warranty and honored at all locations worldwide. Just to clarify… The floor of a truck bed is sprayed on at 125 mils with Line-X. They are silver colored and the bed is now shiney black. It had a pot life of about 20 minutes, and it had been a little while since I last messed with that stuff, but I spent quite a while in prep. zoz – Feel free to leave your comments here on the Line-X vs. the Rhino. I used LXoSETx because of the Line X name and was let down (to say the least) by an improperly mixed and/or applied product. Some scratches in the bed from tossing heavy equipment around, but it never made it to the metal. It kinda seems like who ever sprayed the truck was a little inexperienced. The surface will be to bare metal. If you have any other questions along the way,feel free to contact me anytime.Like I said earlier,probably best by e-mail. Anyway, to anyone looking, just do some research and see some examples of what your local dealer has done and make your decision from there. Thanks for the read, great info that seems unbiased. I also did not say i hate Line-x it probably would a decent product if the applicators did they’re jobs properly. Mike – The Rhino Liner is a little thicker yes, but I don’t know if either will cover up much more than a small ding. As mentioned before I use a tonneau cover which helps keep it from fading. Aromatic (open chained hydrocarbons) and aliphatic (closed hydrocarbons) have to do with UV stability, not strength. I myself have never heard needing a different tailgate end cap to ge the cap to fit. On a recent hunting trip, the 5 gallon deisel gas can I carry in the bed of my truck leaked. Business’s look at one thing “Profit”. I requested to have the problem fixed at a local Franchise closer to my home. I am looking to have a pontoon boat lined with a spray on liner. Finally, each franchise is different. > does the over the rail spray work effectivly, or is a molded plastic or aluminum cover better? He turned his back on me a walked away. I’m here checking to see if I go with scorpion again or if I should try something different on my new truck. We will not share your information. It faded a bid after a few years but so did the rail caps so everything matched! The Rhino on this vehicle was put on my a different Rhino franchisee than on the Grand Am and it held up very well. Carl, for a complete exterior I spray for about $1500 in black. And, believe it or not there are polyurea products out there you can spray with a low pressure machine as well. Super low km and never let us down, just used on the property and am looking to upgrade. Hello, I’m converting an E450 box truck into a mobile restaurant and I’m thinkink that a spray on liner would make a great flooring instead of linoleum. With a little work on your end you can be assured which Line-X dealer will better suit you and your protective coating needs and better help you choose where to take your vehicle when you are ready to protect the truck! Thanks for the read, great info that seems unbiased. I got a reference from a guy at work who’s had some work done at a particular shop and when I called for a quote on an over the rail bedliner, it was over$1300. That’s not correct. Well, this one IS Rhino. Unless you want a softer TuffGrip liner (and you’re OK with the reduced overall resistance of that softer material), you want to buy from a Rhino dealer that offers SolarMax and newer products. You know me, I like to throw in my comments! We enjoy any debate about the trucks. Owner/Operator For reference, a piece of paper is usually about 10 to 15 mils and a dime is about 40 mils. Most people believe that thinner is better when it comes to looks; A thin coating tends to follow every contour of your truck’s bed and preserves the factory appearance. My suggestion has been and continues to be ask your local truck dealerships – who do they use? "TOYOTA" and "TUNDRA" are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation. The owner of this was the actual inventor of the rino. I’m not sure yet in what I want or can get. Also, to follow up with a couple of other questions I saw, and that I may be able to add to… I’m in the Tallahassee, FL area and I’m going with Minco Truck Options. See prices, photos and find dealers near you. I decided to go with line X again for lots of reasons. I saw a sample in the show room of a truck topper store. When you talk about high vs low machines you can’t assume your psi is 2000 or 500 (I spray high at about 1600 psi and low around 100 psi). Bad installers tend to go out of business after a few years because they can’t afford to fix all their mistakes. If the quality is good, go for it. I firmly believe in every product we offer-including and specifically Line-X Protective Coatings. As for the drips that could be laziness or they may have forgotten to trim them, either way the runs can be cut off or shaved down with a sharp olfa knife. I’ll post again if I have any problems but no news is good news. Gents, Thanks John. I like Aaron have also found Linex to be a good sound deadener. From my experience, XPM is the most difficult to work with but it works really well. So which liner should I buy. I commented on the Admin’s article in detail and emailed it to him. Used both Line-X and a Rhino liner product. http://www.tundratalk.net/foru.....ner-2.html. Mike – bummer! This can all contribute to the quality and the owner’s experience. Mike – Good tip on buying the line-x yourself – no dealer mark-up. Castrol Super Clean should do the job. Another thing that affects price is chemical quality. I had the herculiner in my chevy truck bed for 9 years before I traded it in — it was fantastic for a self installed liner did not chip or peel. NOTE: A particularly biased Line-X dealer took issue with our last comment, arguing that mess is just a part of the bed liner business. Matt – No problem, I think you’ll be happy. If fading is bothersome, be sure to check into Line-X Premium! There was no residual over spray anywhere with the Line-X. LINE-X blows Rhino away, especially LINE-X Platinum which blows away all of the competition. All of the Linex on the car is black while the car is silver by the way. I did, however, review the details of the article and my conclusions and was not challenged. Rhino IS the REAL DEAL! Red never faded enough to notice, most people didn’t notice I had a liner. Great article and a veritable boatload of good comments and dialog from all over. LINE-X dealers are franchises. I think the biggest problem is cost…pulling carpet and spraying might involve pulling out seats, interior panels, etc. And would it seal the deck? Just a quick comment. Installer? If you find a Rhino liner installer that uses a hot, high-pressure system (a SolarMax dealer), the differences between a liner from that particular installer and a liner from Line-X can be small. The thing is, many newer Rhino liners (SolarMax, Extreme, HardLine) use essentially the same application process and material that Line-X uses…so you have to be careful about buying into blanket statements. As for these FAKE companies calling themselves bedliner dealers spraying phoney lining? Removed the mount bolts and tailgate panel screws before applying. It was like a haze on the inside of your window that wouldn’t come clean. 8155-A Camp Bowie West If you can’t get Tuff Stuff, then their next closest product is called Tuff Grip. The local body shop sold the brand then lost his franchize and ceased spraying it on. I recently purchased a new truck and want a spary on bedliner, and need to have my fifth wheel hitch installed. Spray-Lining, the actual company name has this unique color matching solution though. Perhaps he will post the information. I called the closest line x dealer (60 miles away), line x of Houston, and explained the problem providing detailed pictures and spoke with Dallas providing an explanation. Below is a link to a picture of them. When I bought my new truck, I saved a few bucks and went with Toff. That benefit serves the public. ... extended roll cage, spray in liner, tool box, Warn winch. I realize that many people love line x, but I am thoroughly UN-IMPRESSED with all aspects of my line x experience. If so, I’d be happy to call you and talk to you about this. Blow down and wipe off with alcohol. In the Minneapolis area, the rhino goes for around $400 and the line x is $500. Thanks. Use Acetone to soften the paint also. As I read over and over again, the installer is the key no matter what the product. Steph, your approx cost depends on area and looking at around $400 – $800 depending on what you want done. It all comes down to the installer. Also much better looking than the Rhino. Thanks. LINE-X does not require a primer on truck beds if applied to OEM painted surfaces. I don’t think Krylon paint is going “work incredibly well” as far as protecting the truck bed against you tossing bricks in the bed. Now, the Dominators are sprayed with LINE-X “Body Armor” and they’ve literally been through hundreds of tornados and hail storms with ZERO damage. Okay, I went back through this blog and see where Anonymous found all his info and disagreed with a lot of it. I’m also considering a roll-n-lock cover. The rhino dealer did not have to repair the punctured holes, that’s not covered under a rhino lifetime warranty. The bolts are the bed bolts holding the bed to the frame and on the tailgate the panel that comes off they can take out the screws and either paint them the color match to your truck or leave it the way it is. Polyester is the best but acrylic is less expensive. Update: I called and talked to Dallas. TUNDRA is used in the title of this website solely to identify the subject of interest to the website. Hi all! Put it this way we had a guy come in who had a nissan truck with a Line-x liner in it, it peeled and flaked off when he asked about warranty they told him that once he bought the truck the warranty was void because the warranty was given to the dealers not the customers, then told him to drive three hours so they could look at it, just so they could charge him another $750! Mahalo. Jason, All for $540. Wheel wells are no problem – seen quite a few of those + people who get spray-on liner all along the bottom 2-6″ of their vehicle. Some were sandblasted and primered, then the primer peeled off. I have experience with many truck caps & Line-X liners and there will be no problem getting the truck cap to seal properly. The only thing actually covered is peeling, cracking, or warping due to normal heat and cold. Linex is a harder material and does dry faster. Being able to take the time and produce quality instead of quantity has made my and my new found customers worry free. Dave the owner met me with an attitude and informed me that he really didn’t want to do the boat because he can make more money doing trucks in the same amount of time. – Kevin Heronimus, LINE-X CEO. If there is any temperature difference. But, you don’t really know if it’s better than LINE-X or not. 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